Loyd provides information regarding government research into psi abilities, including a discussion regarding The Stargate Project.
Loyd Auerbach is a leading expert on parapsychology and is on the Board of Directors of the Rhine Research Center. He earned his B.A. in Cultural Anthropology from Northwestern University and his M.S. in Parapsychology from John F. Kennedy University.
Loyd has authored multiple books on parapsychology, appeared on several television shows and documentaries regarding the paranormal, and teaches parapsychology at several universities across the country. His knowledge and experience of magic and mentalism, coupled with his background in Parapsychology and broad knowledge of other sciences has led a number of researchers to consult with him, especially with regard to laboratory controls and where the potential for psychic fraud has existed.
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Speaker 1:
Hi, this is Gretchen from come to yourself.com with our series facts, not fiction, featuring a discussion about Paris psychology with Lloyd Auerbach. Enjoy. I would like if possible, if you could maybe just mention a briefly some of the studies that were actually conducted by the government regarding, um, whether it was a PK or ESP, uh, remote viewing type situations so that people can understand that. And certainly know that even our own government has actually investigated this
Speaker 2:
Well, the U S government and actually the Soviet government before the Russian government has done an awful lot. Uh, not as much perhaps as other topics. In fact, um, the pro the government program, which got started in 1972 lasted until 1995. Uh, over that time, there was only about 22 and a half million dollar spent, which for a scientific program, even though skeptic yell about that kind of money, it's like nothing. They spend more money on toilets for the Pentagon or, or screwdrivers. So, um, the U S government's program got started partly because the Soviets were already doing research and psychic phenomenon, uh, psychic abilities, and trying to come up with different technologies to enhance or capture psychic stuff, which they never were able to do, but they did their own research, uh, since about the mid sixties, early mid sixties. Uh, and when the, our government found that they were, you know, was got credible evidence, that this was actually happening and they were actually more than 50 labs studying what they called psychotronics in the Soviet union at one point. And so it was suggested by, um, a couple of folks that we do that kind of thing. So a government contractor, Sri international, which originally was Stanford research Institute, a couple of physicists how put off and Russell targ were brought in or worked on the project and really started the re the whole remote viewing flow. You might say, um, this is a for remote viewing as a form of real time, ESP at a distance. And part of the reason why they focused on that was because of the government money. They were looking at what the Soviets were doing, which was spying. Can you use ESP to spike at a distance without having to send an agents? Or at that point, we didn't have the best satellites to do what we can do today. We didn't have drones or the kind of wiretapping we can do today. Um, and they worked with a psychic named Ingo Swann who helped them design a program by which they could test, uh, military personnel for possible aptitude for doing this sort of thing. Now, while that was going on, which everybody in the field did not know about what people in the field didn't know about is a Russell target, helpful enough doing remote viewing research, and they were doing it. Ingo Swann was a well-known psychic. He was doing stuff with people. Other research labs, there was a guy named Pat price was a former police commissioner who did remote viewing with them so that they were in some respects, this the perfect cover for a government program is have the same thing being done for the
Speaker 1:
Public.
Speaker 2:
Nobody suspected that there was government, the government per se, you know, because of that or what, what they were trying to do with the government program. Um, and really the only difference between the government and the non-governmental remote viewing research was the personnel, the people who did the remote viewing, although Pat price also did some of the government stuff and also the targets. So for the public of scientific research and the public research, this was done with true scientific intent, with controlled, controlled targets, random selection, um, making sure that everything was totally controlled, whereas with the government stuff they had, they were given a target by the military or by the CIA or the defense department or someone else. And they often didn't even get feedback as to whether they were correct or not.
Speaker 1:
Ah, finally may have been more than an experiment at the time, but yeah.
Speaker 2:
Explain a couple of things about this. So, uh, I'm just trying to keep my blinds here. All right. So the deal is, um, this is what, uh, ed Mae and Joe McMonagle and Victor Rubal and I did in our book. PSP Wars is explaining this, uh, recently, uh, over the last few years, ed may has gone through the, the declassified material from the project. Uh, ed may was the program director from 1985, late 85 to 95 when the program shut down, uh, there had been other directors before that, um, ed was involved in the project in some respects since about 75. So he's he and Joe McMonagle are the two kind of long memories of the whole program that are, that we're still connected at the end. And what they w just to kind of summarize this, um, in looking over the data that ed was able to retrieve his own data, but also when it was declassified stuff, there was over 90,000 pages of material that was declassified, which Adam and another researcher he worked with got a hold of a few years ago. I actually have it on my, on my hard drive as well. Cause that gave me all the information and, uh, they went through it all. And one of the things that ed was able to correlate or kind of put together is that there were 19 government agencies that had asked for missions or tasks had tasks. The remote viewing group, 17 of them came back again and again.
Speaker 1:
So even though they didn't
Speaker 2:
Get feedback and every one of the viewings that they did, how accurate they were for 17 of 19. So think about this, you have 19 customers for a restaurant, 17 regulars, two of them don't want to come back anymore. W what are the odds? Your food's terrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1:
Exactly.
Speaker 2:
So it was, um, it was started as a CIA. The CIA handled the project at first, but it was defense department, DIA DARPA. It was handled by a lot of different agencies, eventually ended up with the CIA. And then there were some issues. There were things going on with the CIA in the nineties, partly because of budgets. And this is when the, um, the Clinton administration was shutting down, um, unused air, you know, army and air force bases, Naval bases. There were some questions about the CIA. So there was both political and monetary issues, not really related to success or failure of the program at the end. Uh, most people know it as the Stargate program.
Speaker 1:
So if anybody wants to look further, if they were to look it up under the Stargate program and apologetic start point,
Speaker 2:
There's a lot of the material is available on the web. The CIA put that information up online. It's just, the problem is sorting through. It is difficult.